1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,500 You haven't gotten completely away from the Bazaar, however, and that you've been investigating 2 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:08,000 the flying saucer thing, I believe. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Yes, I've been interested in the field, though, I guess, for about four years. 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,000 I don't know on the West Coast here, have you ever heard of Howard Menger? 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Howard Menger. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:26,500 He was a rather famous contactee, and I've, on numerous occasions, appeared with a long 7 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:28,500 John, long John, never done with you. 8 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:33,500 What I understand is you're counterpart, you're his counterpart on the West Coast. 9 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:35,000 I'm often told that. 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,500 I've never heard long John, but I'm looking forward to hearing it. 11 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:42,500 You know, he's a grand guy personally, and he's done a terrific amount of saucer work 12 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:44,500 because he's popularized it in the East. 13 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:50,000 And I don't know if you've pulled on the same classification on the West Coast, but even 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,000 a brain picking, I'm sure there's a little more meat on the other side of the microphone. 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,500 So how about my picking yours a bit? 16 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:02,000 By the way, you said you wanted to drink a water, I think, which is like coffee, or did 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,500 you really mean water? 18 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:05,500 I really meant water. 19 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:06,500 We've got the best. 20 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:08,500 I have scotch, you have the scotch. 21 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:10,500 That's how I got to see the rules in California. 22 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:16,500 Well, anonymous there will get you a glass of sparkling, which is very fast. 23 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:18,500 Now, what did you want to pick my brains about? 24 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:24,500 Well, I'm very interested in your experiences and your various, as I understand, interviews 25 00:01:24,500 --> 00:01:28,000 on the coast here with the flying saucer groups. 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 I hate that word, by the way, flying saucer, the UFO groups. 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:42,000 And particularly, my hobby has been contactees, and to a certain extent, as much as it's possible, debunking them. 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,000 I don't know about how many of the contactees I've been interviewed out here, then. 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,500 Oh, Jules, I'm just trying to remember. 30 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:54,500 I keep thinking I've talked to all of them, and every time I think I've talked to all of them, a new one crops up, you know. 31 00:01:54,500 --> 00:02:02,500 But just to name a few, my favorite interviewee in that field incidentally is Dan Frye. 32 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:03,500 Have you ever talked with Dan Frye? 33 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:10,500 Yeah, Dan and I were on a program with Long John and George Vantasselrodon, the same time, 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,000 or was actually June 57. 35 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,000 And a very hot one, by the way. 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Well, I've talked with Dan any number of times. 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:26,000 I like to talk with him because he makes more sense than most of them, and he knows his stuff on rocketry 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 and that sort of thing as nearly as I can tell. 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Well, maybe he had better qualifies than I have in that field, then, which may start going to scientific talk. 40 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:41,000 But all of me, unless jogged into me, and they could be double talking from sun up until sun down, I couldn't tell the difference. 41 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,000 But if you know rocketry, I don't either. I don't either. 42 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:52,000 But I have had Dan on the program when we had with him people who did. 43 00:02:52,000 --> 00:03:01,000 And although the other people on the program disagreed completely with the premise that he had flown in a flying saucer, 44 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:08,000 they did say that the guy made sense when he talked about rocketry and missiles and space flight and that sort of thing. 45 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:15,000 I don't doubt his IQ, but I have a few, reserve a few doubts to speak mildly about his story of the White Sands incident. 46 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Yes, well. 47 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:22,000 I just learned tonight, by the way, that it is now a doctor, Fry. 48 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:34,000 He has received, he says, an honorary PhD from some group in England as a result of, which is awarded to him for some one of the books that he has published. 49 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,000 The Divine College of Metaphysics, no doubt? 50 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:47,000 It's something. That isn't the name of the outfit, but it is, and it's a church type of doctor, I think. 51 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:54,000 I just found that out a few moments ago. I was speaking, making a tape with Gabriel Green for Party Line, was Long John in New York, 52 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,000 and he was telling me that it was Dr. Fry now. 53 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:12,000 And finally, enough of my conversation with Gabriel, who I found a most affable and pleasant young man, and with whom I disagree, 102%. 54 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,000 They're talking about one fact that struck me as a bit of an anomaly. 55 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:23,000 That is that here is, I don't know, I guess you here in the contact, he's here at the Space Brethren, 56 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,000 declined properly at Thomas Warfey, a hydrogen bomb in the least. 57 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:33,000 I understand, actually, that Dr. Fry has been making parts for missiles, 58 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:40,000 and I'm afraid that he's going to get them to bed graces of the Space Brethren, unless he desists. 59 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Well, now, yeah, that's true, and you know, you bring up a point that has often occurred to me, 60 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:56,000 and that is that, of course, as loyal Americans, most of us are probably interested in seeing that our country's defense against any possible aggressor 61 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:02,000 is maintained to the utmost degree until it no longer becomes necessary. 62 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:09,000 And it seems to me also that if I were trying, if I were an enemy of this country, and we're trying to undermine it, 63 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:19,000 I would find some pseudo-legitimate way of getting the people to get them to agitate to let down their defenses, 64 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:25,000 and it presents some possibilities that are a little alarming when you think about it. 65 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Well, this strikes a familiar chord in my mind, and have you had Ivan Sanderson out here at all? 66 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 No, we haven't. 67 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Well, Ivan has done a lot of radio and TV work, and one of his, he's a very well-versed ufologist, too, on the serious side. 68 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:52,000 And Ivan has very often advanced the theory over the air, and privately, that it would be a wonderful way for the Communist 69 00:05:52,000 --> 00:06:03,000 to put a representative of the guys, of a man from another planet or another galaxy, or what have you, to say, lay down your weapons men. 70 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:09,000 You must have peace, while the Russians, on the other hand, just get a few more bombs in the underground caves. 71 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 I personally don't subscribe to the theory. 72 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:23,000 I don't think that the UFO movement is communistic at all, but I do think that it presents possible fertile ground for communist work, if they wanted to get into it. 73 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Of course, I think you have to differentiate between the UFO movement as such, and the Contactee Group. 74 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Yeah. Well, now, here's the way it boils down to me, as long as you ask me, and then I would be very anxious to get your opinion and find out what you have discovered in all of your research that you've been doing. 75 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:55,000 I've interviewed all of the Contactees, and find it awfully difficult to believe any of them, despite the fact that, without exception, the ones that I've interviewed all seem to be tremendously sincere, 76 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,000 and they seem to be very pleasant, very likable people. 77 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:08,000 And some of them, like Dan Fry, for example, will take the attitude, well, if you don't want to believe me, don't believe me. I don't care. 78 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:17,000 I know what I know, and if you don't believe it, that's up to you. And, of course, it's rather hard to combat an attitude like that. What can you say? 79 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:30,000 And you eventually, in talking with all of these fellows, and I've talked with, in addition to Dan, I've talked to Van Tassel and John Otto and Dick Green, as well. 80 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 You've met Dick Green yet? 81 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Dick Green? No, I haven't. It's a new name to me. 82 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Well, he's the one that started the Monca business out here on the West Coast. 83 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Dick Miller, I agree. 84 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Well, he was Miller. He said, well, excuse me, Miller, Dick Miller. Miller and, oh, I don't know, so many of them over the years, I can't even recall all the names. 85 00:07:51,000 --> 00:08:01,000 And if you can question and question and doubt and doubt, and it always boils down to one thing, you've got to sit there and say, well, I don't believe you. You are not telling the truth. 86 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:10,000 In which case, the answer is already to shrug and say, well, that's your opinion. And so how can you go any place from there? 87 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Well, I think that is so true. I could tell you how this afternoon at two o'clock while I was driving down the Pasadena freeway, that all of a sudden, a source that came right on the side of my car, and there was an invisible ray, looked at me out of the car. 88 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:42,000 My wife, Sylvia, took over the wheel. I took a short flight to the Aurora Borealis there. And the speed was so great I was back an hour and up to lose at seven races at Santa Anita. 89 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Who can disprove it? Except by circumstantial evidence. And certainly here is where circumstantial evidence and the inherent improbability of the story come to the fore, I think. 90 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:05,000 Rarely can you catch a contactee in a direct blind, even though the Hadman cases when they get lost to their own web of fabrication. 91 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Well, there is one other side of the picture, which is, I think, which makes intelligent people at least wait and look a little bit. 92 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:33,000 And it is not so much the contactees. I'm willing to put them into maybe one or two categories. But it is the plethora of apparently reliable sightings from ordinary, normal sort of people. 93 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:42,000 And there are some categories, for example, that were an airplane, a commercial airliner, landed at LaGuardia here, so go, you doubtless will remember this. 94 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:56,000 And the pilot and 43 passengers and all of the crew saw what they reported to be flying saucers. And you say, well, it's temperature inversion, it's hallucinations of one kind, it's meteors, it's one thing and another. 95 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:14,000 And yet you ask yourself, how can a man with, say, four or five thousand hours of flying look at a temperature inversion and not recognize it? And then, assuming that that one particular man did, there are so many, many other reports just from people who, for example, will call us on the beeper at night. 96 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:30,000 There's one chap here, Dick Arant. Now Dick is a friend of mine. He is, was for many years, organist, staff organist for CBS. And he's currently appearing in one of the nightclubs here in Los Angeles now. 97 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:41,000 And Dick is a perfectly normal sane individual who claims that he was flying in his airplane, his private plane one day, near Buena Park, which is where our KFI transmitter is. 98 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:50,000 And suddenly, from out of the clouds, way up from nowhere, a light shown on the fuselage of his plane, just like a search light, as though it had been turned on. 99 00:10:51,000 --> 00:11:04,000 And he had a chap with him who saw the same thing. And the two of them were scared to death and they landed. They looked up and they couldn't see a darn thing up there, except just this light coming down as though someone had turned a giant flashlight on their airplane. 100 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:12,000 And they could see no source, no explanation for it. And it scared the dickens out of them and they landed. Now that's the end of the story. 101 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:30,000 But there are a few things like that that occur from time to time. They do make you wonder as far as anyone being picked up in a flying saucer and taken for a ride. I think it's a wonderful way for people who need a little attention to get it. 102 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Well, I certainly do not have any doubts that as far as the unidentified flying objects are concerned, these do exist. I agree with you that there have been a multitude of reliable sighted and spy eminently reliable persons, including, I believe, some noted persons, 103 00:11:53,000 --> 00:12:08,000 of incitin confirmed by radar as well as visually, by numerous individuals, and I think the Air Force's ridiculous and the attitude of the may generally deny carte blanche the existence of UFOs. 104 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:26,000 I think, however, that the somewhat screwballish element who tell about the messages from the people from space who have been to a thousand and one planets who have been to the North Pole, beneath the pyramids of Egypt, 105 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:44,000 and unfortunately in the disrepute, the more serious elements such as nightcap, that's major keos organization and the like. But you were saying before you divide and contact these into one or two classes. I wonder what was your idea on that score? 106 00:12:44,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Well, I think there are the self-deceived and then I think there are the deceiving. I think that there are, or to classify that further, that there are the opportunists who seize on a current craze to sell a few books and make a few lectures of the dollar fifty ahead. 107 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:14,000 And then I think that there are in the group those who sincerely believe that they have had an experience and it's some sort of a self-deception perhaps rooted deep in the psychological nature of the individual. 108 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Yes, of course, so many of the contactees fall in those who have telepathic projections within the confines of their mind, the astral projectionists. 109 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:37,000 But I think you have an excellent basic classification, which never occurred to me of the deceived and the deceived ares. 110 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Did you have any chance to read the 50-minute hour, I think it was written by Linda. 111 00:13:43,000 --> 00:14:01,000 It was contained a five case history, psychiatrically, one of which was a very eminent physicist who became so deluded with his work with space that he believed that he was one of the lords of another planet. 112 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:14,000 He wrote books made of maps of the geographies of the imaginary planet, wrote about the law, the love life, the diagnosties there until he was finally cured. 113 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:24,000 And this is an example of self-delusion. Reading that case history led me to believe that very possibly this may be more prevalent than we realize. I don't know. 114 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:42,000 Well, now you know there's another slight aspect to it too. According to the findings of Dr. Rine at Duke University, ESP, although often faked, probably faked 98% of the time, on the other 2% of the time is legit. 115 00:14:43,000 --> 00:15:07,000 And it would be conceivable that somebody might have an ESP experience of some kind that would triple-lever. I think it would be a rather un-gluing experience to have a disembodied spirit or something appear to you from nowhere if you weren't expecting it or weren't attending a seance. 116 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:15,000 And all of a sudden you heard a voice or saw something and apparently in at least a tiny number of cases this legitimately happens. 117 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Well, now if this were to happen to some individual who knows what sort of a lever it could trip and he could start thinking that he was lord of outer space as you say, or almost anything. 118 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:40,000 In the deceiver class, Ben, I have always thought that perhaps they could be divided basically into those who either make or hope to make a book. 119 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Number two, those who have some theme, whether it be political, philosophical, religious, they wish to sell, and they want to use these sources as a means of reaching this. 120 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:09,000 And number three, those who wish to gain notoriety have perhaps small people to use that worried all their life and see a chance to hit the headlines of hope to hit it. 121 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Are there any other classes that you can think of other than those basic three? 122 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:22,000 That seems to sum it up. There's one thing I wanted to ask you about too. However, first I want to put in a word for Bob and Stan Sayer. These are a couple of young guys. 123 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:34,000 I was going to ask you one of the things, Ben, and one that I don't know. The same as to me back in 56 or so, about had the one car incident here. Do you remember it at all? 124 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,000 Oh, yes. 125 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:41,000 I think the Dwarven John called you on the phone that night to compare notes. How did the impression that he probably did? 126 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:52,000 He tried and we were unable to get together. As a matter of fact, he was out here at the West Coast and he was staying at the Stadler and he phoned me and it just, in the daytime to talk. 127 00:16:52,000 --> 00:17:02,000 And I've been wanting so much to meet him and it just happened that at the time he phoned me, I was just up to my ears and doing things and I came back and I got his message on my call service. 128 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:07,000 And by the time I got back to him, he had left and returned to the East. So I've never met Long John and never talked with him. 129 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:25,000 I know he was out, I came to Giant Rock one day to cover the entire infection. And I think in 56, I had the impression that when the Monk I incidental on, he had called a summer space and I thought it was yours here over the phone from New York to determine what had happened. 130 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:31,000 That was the one where I believe the message had come from Mars under a certain time. 131 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000 The ship was to Dick Miller, yeah. 132 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,000 Yeah, well, this person was with this station, was there supposed to be a message or a product of the fact? 133 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Yes. Dick Miller is associated with a high school teacher, a teacher of manual training in one of the high schools. 134 00:17:51,000 --> 00:18:02,000 And if you met Dick, he's a very pleasant young guy. He has a job at one of the aircraft companies, an awfully nice young fellow. 135 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:10,000 And the teacher associated with him is an old man who is, I would say, around 50 or 55. Dick is probably in his 20s, late 20s. 136 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:27,000 And they meet in Dick's house and Dick, then, so the story goes, allows his mind to be possessed by Monk who is presumably flying around someplace up above. 137 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:40,000 And then Monk utilizing Dick's mind speaks through Dick's mouth. And Dick's, when Dick does this, his voice, he does a voice change. 138 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:48,000 His voice is normally fairly high and it seems to drop down lower and it seems to become like, you know, man, you know, it almost that way. 139 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:55,000 And then this Monk speaks with all the wisdom of the world and, of course, knows everything that has ever taken place. 140 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,000 He's got an answer for the great pyramids and Atlantis and you name it. 141 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:08,000 So, of course, this is pretty tough stuff to swallow. But I went out and talked with Dick and I was very much impressed by the young guy's sincerity. 142 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:16,000 And so we went through a session with him and in this private session I spoke with Monk, of course, speaking through Dick Miller's mouth. 143 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:23,000 And I said, when I look at Monk, you know, we respect you old fellow and all that sort of thing, but we would like to see some evidence of you. 144 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Will you arrange to appear over KFI so we can have a quick look at you some night? 145 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,000 And Monk, through Dick, agreed that he would. 146 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:42,000 So we publicized it ahead of time and it was decided that Monk would make his appearance above KFI. 147 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:48,000 So we took a long microphone and we climbed up a ladder and we got up on the roof of the building up here. 148 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:54,000 And of course Monk had specified the time and the date exactly to the minutes and seconds. 149 00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:01,000 And so when Monk was going to speak over our transmitter, he was going to come in over the airways. 150 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:08,000 So we got up there and we waited for the time and the moment and I'm sure that there were thousands of people who were just holding their breath. 151 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Frankly, I was too. You know, you get up there and you suddenly becomes kind of real to you, you know. 152 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:20,000 And needless to say Monk had appointments elsewhere and that was the end of that. 153 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,000 Amazing white story as I recall, wasn't it? 154 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:32,000 Yes, it got quite a lot of publicity and my feeling about Dick is that Dick Miller is completely sincere. 155 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,000 I think he is perhaps one of the self-deceived, if anything. 156 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,000 Well isn't this a little hard to tie in though with this... 157 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:51,000 If this were to be accepted to face Faggument, it almost might be a case of possession then of Monk taking over. 158 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,000 He's believing that he takes over his body and his voice. 159 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Now Monk has been a lot of tape since then. 160 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Do you think that actually something like this can happen without being tamed? 161 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,000 No. 162 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,000 Have I put this in the serum quotes? 163 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:20,000 No, yes I do. I think that a psychiatrist could point out to you any number of cases where a man believing he was someone else... 164 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Well, let me put it this way. 165 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,000 Three faces of Eve? 166 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Yeah. 167 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000 You said it. That's the whole story right there. 168 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:36,000 In fact, I read an article in Playboy Magazine about hypnotism and in that particular article it said that you could be hypnotized and told that you were Chris Jeff 169 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:42,000 and you would immediately start talking like he does and acting like he does or as close to it as you were able to count. 170 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:50,000 It might, oddly enough, if you go to the Nassau County Telephone Director, I feel you'll find me at the two restrooms underclassified as a lawyer and as a hypnotist. 171 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 He's one of my colleagues here. 172 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 The two faces of Saint Germain. 173 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,000 At least two. 174 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:04,000 We have a product here, Joe, that I think you would use from Al Pierce, Los Angeles 24. 175 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Three and a half dollars to Al Pierce, Los Angeles 24. 176 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000 How many all-night markets here in LA? 177 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,000 Sure. 178 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,000 You would do without a bio-box for me? 179 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,000 I've been very hungry. 180 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,000 Oh, gosh, they are wonderful. No kidding. 181 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Well, let's see. I guess we've just about hacked the thing around the stump, Joe. 182 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,000 I hope when you go back to New York you'll give my regards to Long John. 183 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,000 I'm not sure he will. 184 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,000 So much about him over the years. How long has he been at that show anyway? 185 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:39,000 Well, it used to be Long John's Orbanac originally and I think he started in August 1956 in the party line. 186 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,000 It'll be five years in this August, I believe. 187 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,000 He's got the TV show now. It's not an hour show. It's a half hour. 188 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:56,000 I think it probably has the biggest listening audience for that time of night of any of the shows. 189 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,000 He's been, I think, phenomenally successful. 190 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,000 I've heard so much about him. 191 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000 We've been at this one here for about nine years. 192 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,000 Well, that's a long one. 193 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000 In 51, yeah. 194 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Has the general pattern of guests been along the same lines? 195 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,000 They've varied, I suppose. 196 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Well, it's somewhat varied. We don't go as strongly on UFO as I gather that Long John does. 197 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,000 We have a lot of UFO guests, but we also have a great many other things too. 198 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Well, he doesn't know, just, I mean, he's quite varied. I think a very small percentage now. 199 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000 And the jest is safe to know, but you can have it, isn't that about it? 200 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Yes, and once you've talked to all the contactees, you might have them back a second time a year later. 201 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,000 And then you've just about, where does there go from there? You've just about had it, you see. 202 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Well, the contactees and then the others, like Kehoe and so on. 203 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Have you had Kehoe on here? 204 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,000 I've been trying to get him for ages, but when he's out here, I'm not available. 205 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000 And when he's not, I can't get him out, so I haven't been able to get him out. 206 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000 How many ESP do you have? 207 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Oh, tons of it, yes.